-----Original Message-----
From: mocomain [mailto:mocomain@nli.ie] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 4:25 PM
To: Paul Delahunty
Subject: RE: Delahunty Arms


Dear Mr Delahunty,

Whatever about McLysaght's considerable ability as a scholar in other areas, he had some 
curiously eccentric theories about Irish heraldry; specifically, concerning what he called 'sept 
arms'.  There is no such thing.

In Ireland a right to arms depends upon a grant from this Office, either directly or to an 
ancestor.  The coincidence of a surname or a claimed collateral relationship to the grantee does 
not impart any such right. 

A provable descent from a grantee does not allow use of the undifferenced coat to any but the 
most senior member of the family; others must use their 'due and proper differences'.

There is no English language work specifically about Irish heraldry currently in print.  If you 
enjoy reading Irish you might try 'Armas' by Nicholas Williams.

I have no objection to answering queries about Irish heraldry as time allows.

Regards,

FG   

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Paul Delahunty 
Sent:	12 March 2003 13:40
To:	mocomain
Subject:	RE: Delahunty Arms

Thank you for your reply, Mr. Gillespie.

So basically, there are no arms on record for the Delahunty sept? (I know arms are granted to 
individuals, but for example, someone named O Carroll could claim their arms as "Gules two lions 
rampant combatant argent supporting a sword point upwards of the last pommelled and hilted or". 
There is nothing like this for Delahunty?) I have a webpage on the Delahunty arms, as I have 
found many claiming to be such. If you want you can view it here: 
http://delahuntypaul.tripod.com/Crests.htm

I have read that Edward MacLysaght, in one of his books, but I can't remember which one, 
maintains that as the Delahuntys are a subsept of the O Carrolls we are entitled to use their 
arms. Would you share this view? (especially as the arms granted to Richard Venour Beckwith 
Dulhunty are basically the O Carroll arms with a different motto.)

I appreciate that your office is very busy, so if you don't have time to address this mail could 
you at least point me in the direction of some helpful books/documents?

Thank you for your time.

Mise le meas,

/Paul Delahunty


-----Original Message-----
From: mocomain
To: Paul Delahunty
Sent: 12/03/2003 13:58
Subject: FW: Delahunty Arms



 -----Original Message-----
From: 	mocomain  
Sent:	12 March 2003 12:54
To:	'Paul Delahunty'
Subject:	Delahunty Arms


Dear Mr Delahunty,

I apologise for the delay in replying to your e-mail of 20.II.03: we
have many enquiries and few staff to answer them.

The grant in 1950 to Richard Venour Beckwith Dulhunty was -

Gules two lions rampant combatant argent supporting a sword point
upwards of the last pommelled and hilted or.

Crest: On the stump of an oak-tree sprouting a hawk rising proper belled
or.

Motto: Take a good gripe.

The index to the Register of Arms does not indicate that arms have ever
been granted or allowed to anyone else named Delahunty (or any of its
variants).

I hope that this is of use to you and wish you well with your research.

Fergus Gillespie
Deputy Chief Herald of Ireland 


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